Now let me drop this other reality into the conversation. The big megas dont seem to be so much neo-cals, but they are very friendly with them. He was certainly right about that. See, I never heard this dont trust your conscience thing until I started researching here. So, then we participate in receiving the Eucharist. I wondered if I had missed something. They dont do creeds anyway. There are goats. I suspect pastor was either bragging or indulging his sexual fantasies in a Respectable form. I was not in the SBC much during the CR or in 2000. Years before, when he was a child, Newman had "wanted me to come to a sleepover event," Dygert said. Did she really say that? But this is exactly what GRACE does. It is practically impossible and they know it. PP was not very influential in this neck of the woods in SBC circles. Is this accurate? I feel like I can tell you anything. and double down. They have built it up a lot more since then I understand. We are talking about something that cannot just be repented of but something that is the persons very identity- who they are. Hoffpauir describedthe abuse as "threefold:" physical, sexual and spiritual. Its important that the Church be held accountable because it will mean change; Newman had other suggestions that same night, Dygert said: Dunking a basketball naked from a gymnastics board, for example. I dont view PP and the like as fundamentalists but politicians selling their personal brand. (He remained in Kanakuk's employ until 2009.) If a bunch of boy and girl kampers had been caught skinny dipping together without adult supervision (dont know if boys and girls have separate sessions at that camp, or are there at the same time), I wonder if they would have been sent home in disgrace? Ive always been skeptical about things people say, so I chuffed at people who insisted that they had a call so I had to listen to them. I have heard that Dolly Parton has a show/theater there, too. Some people have to face it very young. On the friedman quote, I share your political concerns, but I thought it was applicable to these church cases too. Do you get the feeling that keeping women out of power is WAY more important to these folks than protecting them or children? More child sexual abuse in churches. The electric bill is almost 300 this month due to the heat/humidity thank goodness its finally lowering in temp. ", Echoing similar suits filed in the past, Doe XIII's complaint asserts that beforeNewmans 2009 arrest and prosecution in Taney County, there were "at least 57 alleged victims of Newman including Plaintiff.". Just a slightly different perspective: @ BeenThereDoneThat: We must honor them with listening. Kanakuk peddles their safety systems for profit to schools, insurance companies, churches and camps. ", More:Kanakuk camp 'abuse survivors' call for independent investigation into sexual assault accusations. The people have a right to know. I also think that many Calvinista leaders believe that God is so with them and their election and awesome leadership that nothing bad could ever happen to them. Listen to the promptings. I am trying to wrap my head around this Christian lawyer who claims to be a victim advocate. I honestly think GRACE has good intentions. ", Another federal suit filed in Dallas claims camper was sexually abused over seven years at summer camp Kanakuk, The new suit says Newman developed a deeper and more trusting relationship with the boy, identified only as John Doe III, by phoning him directly at his home in Texas, by emailing him at his home in Texas, and by sending cards and letters to John Doe III at his home in Texas. The suit alleges this was part of Newmans grooming process and led John Doe III to more completely trust and believe. He was in the temple courts, he was disrupting the precursors to worship, which included trading the evil Roman money for holy temple money so people could buy sacrificial animals. Suing policy aside, I thought his information for churches was very good. He is victim prevention. What is profitable for the body of Christ is truth. I have ordered three of his cartoons for my home as well and have one in my living room. We need to call it what it is: stealing a life for selfish perverted sexual gratification. He also hung out with Newman "just in town." He is serving two life sentences plus 30 years in prison. I hope they win. I dont know how to make it happen. And theres not even the psychological cost of these kinds of cases. Jesus did not mince words. His mother resisted the idea, but "eventually," Dygert said,shechecked with "one of my friends' parents who had known Pete longer. A rare man. What I came to see (up close and personal) is that they have convinced themselves (due to their success in their little kingdoms) that their ministry/message is blessed by God and nothing can be allowed to stain that. He was 13. Contract worker, volunteer or direct hire: Makes no difference. Overthrew the Shah and got the Ayatollahs instead. I am picky. Gateway claims to do background checks on all their staff who work with children. Its about the money and reputation in his little Christian circle . There are also the issues of personal holiness, attitudes toward education and science and family, and if I were not still sleepy I could think of some more. There are wolves in sheeps clothing. he is now serving 13 years. Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or it they try, they will shortly be out of office.. And they seem to have friends in the local law enforcement that will cover for them too. Kanakuk said in its most recent IRS filing thatrevenues topped $31.6 million in 2019. Yep. I think this is pretty basic. Caveat emptor folks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEVI3bmN8TI. The camp responded with a prepared statement attributed to "Kanakuk Communications," which the News-Leader is reproducing here in full, noting however that victims and former camp employees have disputed the timeliness of Kanakuk's termination and reporting of Newman. @ BeenThereDoneThat: (We will be discussing this group in the near future.). But depositions show that camp leaders knew about the abuse a decade earlier, and now a Missouri church has announced it will cancel a planned event and no longer partner with Kanakuk "until the truth of their knowledge about what happened with Pete Newman is openly confessed.". I guess it comes down to, what did Bryan Loritts know and when did he know it? NO PARENTS were ever told about any of this. He was desensitizing the children to sexually abuse them and violating all kinds of boundaries to achieve that. And we know there is a higher percentage of narcissist pastors than the general pop, right? if NOT, I have to ask what IS the deal??? News Flash: These guys obviously do not believe this. CPA licensing has changed because of it. And if not dealt with properly their credibility ruined forever. This modified form of ignorance is found in people who, if confronted with certain truths realize that they have to accept them and thereby acknowledge evil, and that scares them. I dont even think these powerful men ever think about the damage to the least of these.. The blogger eventually landed in DC working for a senator. Until I read Joel Gregorys book and started blogging I had no idea he spent most of the post CR years one step gap head of the firing ax but always landing on his feet. Not that it matters, but we went to Silver Dollar City some half a century ago and before the whole Branson thing got to be what it apparently is now. I did a Google search to find out more about Kamp Kanakuk and one of the first links was to this headline (from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 2013): Kanakuk camp wants to be national model for stopping sex abuse. I feel that some people have a hard time with the truths around us, not only the sexual abuse by priests, but all bad things. . I dont know if you and your family have seen former pastor David Hayward/The Naked Pastors cartoons. While his family's home is locatedless than a mile from Kanakuk, he and his siblings never attended. Fundamentalism has a very different feel compared to evangelicalism. I think a big part of it is actually doctrinal in some ways. . I harbored no notions that it was safer because it was smaller and closer to homeshe was able to bunk with a friend and I was just ready to loosen my reins a little for her. © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. (I suppose it is a bit hard to work that into all the hats & horns). @ okrapod: We also have this notion that bad people will look bad, kind of like in Disney shows where the good are beautiful and the bad are ugly. But people go because its pretty or to shop or because its close. fear & insecurity, need and desire for money, power, & significance is behind it all. The difference is there is licensing involved and CPAs risk losing their license to practice. But the longer I live, and experience life, the more I see a place for it I hope that camp, and it leaders, get sue out of business and bankrupt!!! But also no, the idea that one would make independent decisions apart from something specific in scripture, that was pretty much a no no. In 2018, Newman was found liable for $10 million in damages, but was later released from a garnishment.) The fact that GRACE got run off by that one missionary org makes me think they were actually doing a good job investigating. To all the Children hurt by this person and their family and friends I am sorry this has happened to you. A female doctor who had been a member of the church for 35 years. Still a better track record than 2012, when Gods Anointed Choice changed at least once a week, the only constant being NOT THE MORMON! The letter also demands that Kanakuk release all victims from legal non-disclosure agreements, which civil parties often sign when they settle a lawsuit out of court. Velour UNITED STATES on Fri Sep 02, 2016 at 12:33 AM said: I will keep vigil tonight for the success of the surgery for Former CLCer . Probably. My ex-pastor pulled a stunt like that at Easter time with visitors. In fact, Ive heard this scenario play out so many times that I am very suspicious of people who seem to have everything together so well- too well. : Look at me, Im admitting to my shortcomings right here at the pulpit in front of yall (though no really, truly bad shortcomings, of course, though truth be told, if you really knew how I was at my worst, to those closest to me, youd be shocked and run for the double doors at the back of the sanctuary) to show all of you just how really downright good and wholesome and genuine and godly I am, how in a way, hey, Im just bettern you to be such a Big Man and admit it with tears in my eyes while the music just started getting softly played by the song leader, that music likes they play in the movies where someone dies tragicallyhey, pass the collection plate, fast, Brother Dewey, while I got em all emotioned up. But, are you are ultimately taking the money from the bad guys or someone else? Please pray for this because there are some really good job openings which I think would work great with my sons schedule and pay a really decent wage. I dont even think these powerful men ever think about the damage to the least of these.. Say a quick little prayer for me, please this is day 3 of a migraine headache. There are very few things/people above criticism in my world. Yes. On this issue there has to be zero tolerance. I have had a calling towards Student Ministry for many years and volunteered alongside Pete at the local Methodist Church. I could rant more, but I am just singing to choir with you all.. retaining a person on staff who is a child predator and actually has been arrested for that is bad PR! So creepy. Brian- you were groomed to think about this man the way you did. She's blaming anyone else she can find. This imight be true. I keep wondering if the leadership in such cases may be pedophiliac themselves but dont dare act it out, so they get their rocks off by listening to the JUICY testimonies of those who DO. A man who comments over on Spiritual Sounding Board has said that he and his wife came to the conclusion that when a church wont protect children, thats just the tip of the iceberg of other serious problems at that church. Its at the point if you dont want your kid molested/raped, you have to become a Done. I agree that PP and a whole bunch of the bunch are primarily politicians. Because logic, reason, Christian love for the vulnerable and basic common sense all rebel against these actions! Kanakuk was supposed to be a happy place a safe place. How did Berny Madoff get the trust of all of his investors, or other finical con artist? I am not against prevention. Velour wrote: BRANSON, Mo. In 2009, Fellowship Memphis apparentlydecided that Peter Newman would be a wonderful person to hire!!!!! -This post is focusing on Peter Newman due to his relationship with Fellowship Memphis. Theyre spending ($4,800) a month to bring their kid, and some of these parents have two, three or four kids that are going through Kanakuk every summer, and so theres so much money that goes through the camp that ends up going to Branson and Taney County.. In this video you will see Kanakuk leaders explaining under oath what they knew years before Newman was arrested in 2009. It was a horrible situation for them. Much needed. Yeah, Jesus did say that. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. Pete was one of the most passionate, enthusiastic and sincere (seeming) believers I had ever met. I get trying to weed them out on the front end and that is good but we are dealing with master cons. Yet fruit has nothing to do with it? There are powers that are ancient and evil that we cannot see that lie behind the scandals that we can. After Newman's trial, civil lawsuit allegations emerged. And I found something interesting: Historically there have been two archetypes of Antichrist: The Fanatic Persecutor and The Slick Deceiver (easily symbolized by The Beast and The False Prophet). He was the pastor who allegedly kept thing on the down low. I do think you are drawing the wrong conclusion here. :o). People do convert out from the kind of fundamentalism that Patterson comes from, but its more into some mainland Christian denomination or possibly Episcopalian or Anglican. Gateway considered Sammy a pastor and even flew him out regularly for staff chapel and pastors meetings. Props to Todd Wilhelm for joining you when he was visiting the U.S. again from the Middle East. So why do we need to keep being reminded that evil wears an attractive face? The part about him telling them what sex with women was like because he was married now? One of the new rules is no cell phones at camp. Satan is powerful to produce every kind of vice, greed and scandal in those who are deceived. And she looked at me (at the birthday dinner). Such is life sometimes. I read their Bob Jones and ABWE reports. I think there is definitely an old boy network with the pastors. I think they were all fine, but they were generally a bunch of people I knew well too. They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. They live their life in a way to show that they despise Mammon as their example. ", "It was just things that are not normal," Hoffpauir said. Dave, did you know that Dr. Hawkes is a neuropsychologist? "Your voice gave me a voice," Hoffpauir said he told journalist Nancy French after reports on Kanakuk by Frenchand her husband, David French, were first published last year by The Dispatch, a conservative-leaning news website. Its common in business to hire outside professionals to do a professional and ethical job. AND I can see this as a definite wake-up call to churches where men have played church, taken money from people, lorded their power and control over these people, and allowed their children to be abused by their buddies. I thought it was delightful and I did not see anything particularly religious about it at the time. They believed this way before they ever had a ministry, but they did have men in the church and pastors grooming them and telling them that a call from God meant they would do great things. It is hard to believe we were fooled. Wishful pontificating? I know who you are referring to and no, I dont believe he converted. People are divided on what they think in this area, not just the baptists. but counseling can be paid for, and other help provided for victims. How to Resign from a Church Just commenting on the liberal part of it, which sounds strange. Here is another example: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/01/widespread-abuse-uncovered-during-investigation-into-rhode-island-boarding-school.html. Not so in this world. Please do not anybody make this about anything other than what I actually said. @ Lydia: I was so agitated by the headline I said, nooooooooooooo a couple of times and upset my kitty Nicki, who left the room. 2010 Pete Newman receives two life sentences plus 30 years in Missouri state prison based on multiple counts of statutory sodomy and child enticement involving child abuse on Kanakuk property. Kanakuk's leader, Joe White, claims to have served over 500,000 youth from all 50 states and around the world during its history. Well done! and use THEIR money to help THEIR victims, which is a kind of justice, although there isnt enough money on the planet to undo all the damage these men have done. These groups seem to be masters of hiding and covering up things they dont want revealed. Chilling. I think that seems to be what has been created. Maybe when this season of life has passed, I can investigate Orthodoxy. The people have a right to know. In light of all of that, Id rather have a church implement some sort of sexual abuse prevention program to mitigate the risk to children, than for a family to have to endure an uncertain legal process to seek justice for a violated child. And they vouched for Pete. Many churches are very unsafe places for adults and children alike. Add to that they tend to believe the molester (when caught) and how sorry they are. I have no idea how Mirele understood my original comment to have anything to do with anything else. Typo in Mireles name. Christianne is a catholic and I am an episcopalian and our beliefs about the Lords Supper aka communion aka Holy Eucharist are similar but not identical in all aspects. Just catching up on the news today and saw this: MOD: URL shortening is NOT allowed. @ BeenThereDoneThat: Ive sat through youth ministry volunteer training with MinistrySafe, and they get it. The victims need justice. My wife came home early from church last week, apparently the sermon was quite graphic about appropriate sex between a man & a woman. Well, Boris & Natasha were as Psevdorussky as you could get. And like, competitive. If they cover up scandal to protect their damned reputations then they are false. The letter demands Kanakuk admit thatnumerous allegations of sex abuse by people linked to the camp are true. They get to do the wrong or unfair things with no consequences. There is apparently such a thing a being a paedophile by proxy, deriving a sense of power and control through the activities of predators on ones staff, if the leadership was aware, enabling, then hiding, excusing the predator, and blaming and intimidating the victims. ave they announced who is Gods Choice THIS year? Would a secular program be better? Is this the only Christian camp in Branson? Like the Parasymp organs of the Heirarchy (a corrupt religious dictatorship) in Fritz Leibers Gather, Darkness! Hes in the cesspool himself. Do you have a news link for that story? Published: Nov. 18, 2022 at 1:49 PM PST. The mega churches I was familiar with kept the big powerful law firm in town on retainer. But sola scriptura does not include anything but scripture, including not tradition or reason. I went on many speaking engagements with him. It cannot be discerned by externals so much (as the theology it claims to hold, or denomination it belongs to) as it is discerned by what it actually produces over time. I think this leaning on leaders is contingent on an absence of education and training in the working of God-given moral conscience as a part of Christian formation. They can do their jobs well, even though theyre getting paid by the business. Makes me sick! There can be no excuse, no rationalization, no mitigating factors. There are tares out there. PS I dont know how much business Boz is getting on the assessing and reporting end of things these days. It has no bearing on the mans crime and guilt!! Schools and other public agencies used this training material as well. (Not sure of his position, but I think it involved church music.) ), How can those of us with Jobs and Lives and other things than 24/7/365 Self-Promotion compete with that? One of them got sun poisoning and if the other kid had not texted her she was never informed by the godly SBTS youth leaders. Id just point out that Jesus wasnt very reverent in the holy temple. I suppose that is the effect that Mohlers Calvinism (TULIP) has on his thinking (Total Depravity) ??? I thought that was interesting. nwhiker https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/manassas-youth-pastor-faces-new-charge-in-case-involving-teenage-girls/2016/08/31/84ea71c2-6f78-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html. I cant quote Criswell word for word, but he said that the man who pastors a church is the ruler of the church. Peter Newman: Long time abuser/molester of campers at Kamp Kanakuk. But how does God meet with them there when He has said Be still, and know that I am God ? Ive posted the video here a few times of Greg Loves talk at DTS. Kanakuk located in Branson, Missouri,hasbeen long known as the premier Christian camp in the UnitedStates and abroad. Last I heard he converted to Catholism. We are reverent in that place. I second that. It was around this time that Dee was in the process ofchanging her views of much of this stuff. Cause I do. When did that go by? @ Christiane: At least one of the victims was not yet a teen the story said he was 12, at one point. . They *want* to believe that there are people who stand head and shoulders above the rest, spiritually. Frankly, when diversity takes that much of a hit, you can get some cult stuff developing . . and diversity sure did take a hit when the missionaries who spoke in tongues were sadly targeted. But you learn, my God do you learn.. I talked to Keith.". He was imprisoned following his 2010 sentencingon seven felony counts of sexually abusing boys, in connection with his role as a Kanakuk counselor. He currently resides in Branson, Missouri, with his wife, Debbie Jo. Kanakuk leaders also have described convicted child molester Pete Newman as a lone predator but he wasn't the first or last abuser connected to the camp. Im just going to post it again for new readers affected by this story. "We're going to try to renew our vows and do something different because of it. [and of course legit is important because of money], we have to have awesome relationships with each other, and if we dont, we pretend that we do for appearances sake.. He wrote his phone number on my hand and said, 'Hey, let's hang out sometime.' So yes, in that sense people are taught bible, which is certainly training the conscience. This judge gets it right! I suppose reason also is something that is challenged, and yet God is the God of the natural world, which is ordered out of chaos; Great. @ Loren R Haas: Maybe the best thing to do is to train church MEMBERS what to look for and to constantly be vigilant, because the leaders are just not going to do it if it goes against their interests. I wish to thank again all of those who have websites and our choosing to shed light on these church scandals. So you need both. When I first got divorced I considered joining Second Pres. He is a most credible source, having been present at the church for much of what we discussed in our last post as well as this post. Putting a building on a pedestal does not fall in that category. Pete & Katie Newman are the Directors of K-Kountry. @ Lea: I call it chosen ignorance. That does not leave out reason, it does not leave out exegesis, it does not leave out what various theologians might think, but it does completely eliminate any thing that would displace scripture as the source of decision making. A civil complaint alleges that there were at least 57 victims, but the prosecutor in his case estimates that the real number could be in the 'hundreds.'" Kanakuk, Newman's former employer, is a Christian sports camp that's been in business since 1926. The first time former Kanakuk camp director Pete Newman was reported for being nude with kids was in 1999 the same year he became a full-time employee at the Branson-based Christian athletic . On April 23, after a Taney County Sheriff's detective interviewed Kanakuk director Kris Cooper about Newman's sexual crimes, he noted in the incident report, "Kris mainly talked about the accomplishments and good work that Pete Newman did for Kamp." Even after Newman's 2010 conviction, Kanakuk leaders esteem for Newman remained evident. They *make* themselves useful to deceivers. Too many want a big show of everything, with celebrities and entertaining music. Sure this happens in the secular world too but we keep involved in the daycare, school & sports team. Reporters working for the Springfield. By my reading, the Pharisees were several notches better than these thugs. Its considered very family friendly. We spent a weekend in Branson back in 06, when it was just getting started. We are talking about something I find very scary for innocents out there when it comes to Christian organizations. is a licensed attorney and a former chief sex crimes prosecutor. Righteous Mass Movements can do without a God, but HAVE to have a Devil. For more than a decade following these tragic events, Kanakuk has continued to work tirelessly to help ensure that this deeply deceptive and abusive behavior does not happen again. 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