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Further to the north, sand that was built up in front of properties has been scoured away leaving an eight foot drop-off. Sea level rise equation is based on the Bruun Rule to ascertain erosion in open coastal areas like Collaroy. How's that space travel and trip to MARS coming along, you blokes? There's been a lot written about the challenges of the various adaptation options, including the purchase of private lands. 1. The fucking vandals bulldozed down one of the last remnants of coastal heath to get their heavy equipment in. Might be time to lawyer up. bit of a worry but, when you buy a nice piece of land by the ocean in high risk erosion zone..why do tax payers have to buy the property back,,,surely the owner knew the risks ? Hey guys I need to write an informative paper based on remedial measures used to protect infrastructure against erosion. My 2c on the buy back scheme - NB Council won't have 50+ million sitting around to buy them all back at once (and NSW Gov wouldn't be in a hurry to give them the rest) so they'd have to do it say a couple per year, but at the same time, that leaves the others who can't be bought back vulnerable and at risk of further destruction if another mega storm decides to show up, which in the current climate you'd have to think is pretty likely. The fact that an engineer/s designed this crazy-ass wall is the concern I raised. More than likely entombed in one of those tetrapod molds you mentioned above. Collaroy seawall project | Protection from coastal erosion Watch on Location: Collaroy NSW Our specialist staff were engaged by the Northern Beaches Council to construct the 250m rock revetment seawall in front of the Collaroy Beach carpark. Yamashita (2020) "Living together with seawalls: Risks and reflexive modernization in Japan". 100% agree Craig, the only option is to buy back the properties and be done with it like they should have done years ago. Children protest the building of a seawall at Collaroy-Narrabeen in 2002. Well go for them, put in your FOI requests and prove what we all suspect; that the council turned a blind eye to save themselves some money and appease a noisy minority. Thanks Lilas, totally get where you're coming from and taken on board. Mr Horton said there has been some very minor erosion at Collaroy/Narrabeen Beach this week, along with other NSW beaches, but it is not a cause for concern. During periods of low swell energy, sand accumulates on the beach, widening the profile and forming a natural barrier for when storms and large waves erode the coastline. They are trying to protect a life saving club, which footings lie directly on the sandunes that eroded due to not only the waves but also the changing in direction and position of the mouth of the river (natural process). Go figure! Posted the story from that link here. Seems from my research, we have actually made a lot of progress towards physics-based numerical modeling of near-shore/beach environments in the last 20 years or so. There's been a lot of work done to gain a better understanding of the value of the beach re both market and non-market economic benefits. Dates announced for Spencer Frost and Guy Williment's film shot in Russia's far east. That's the most sensible thing I've read so far. Ben, yes there are submarine cables and the protection zone is there to prevent damage to the cables, but I don't think that would preclude construction of reefs, it just means that any proposed reef design/construction would have to be in consultation with the cable authorities. The project is part of the 1.3-km seawall proposed from South Narrabeen to Collaroy to protect both private and public assets in the suburb. exports the same quantity of energy in green electricity and hydrogen as it exports in thermal coal and liquefied natural gas. Nah, buybacks don't put the properties back onto the market, they're acquired by the council at market rates and then emptied, returned to parkland and foredune, both a buffer against storm action. Confirming that they were involved in the initial design only. If the houses go, the road goes shortly after. (AO) Zen interested how Japan just keeps dropping those big Tetrapods anywhere there is coastal erosionlost a lot of surf spots..how effective do you think they actually are against erosion? Some relevant links from when I had a dig around before. Rad demo john interesting as Craig said to see the changes in shock waves returning seaward. Spot on tango. I would rather have seen the money go into a couple of California style piers. Holds more water and replenish the beach? It ran northwards around the back of the lagoon and on toward what is now Collaroy Beach. Maybe start a thread in the Forumsand you must have a few Wild sea tales to tell with 560 Lord Howe trips under your belt. Imagine the carnage during the next ECL. They have destroyed every built form on the beaches. Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? Though they were quick to remove signs only recently erected on the beach.. https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/council-was-asked-about-danger-signs To be replaced with signs "Collaroy artificial reef project 2023", This is a glimpse of what a beach could be; following sensible Council planning; (post storms in 1974) eg. development, carparks & roads behind the hind dunes leading to biketracks, walkways, supporting the community including Im just saying its a difficult issue, beachwall terrible and if its sets a precedent huge chunks of the coast stuffed. @dawnperiscope. It might be cold comfort to the home owners, but there's always a certain risk to be taken, anywhere you might choose to live. Alas this would have meant some loss / damage to private property. [happy to stand corrected on any of this] You shouldve known by 1990. Any chance of a dedicated ErosionCam, Swellnet? Yep pretty significant increase in the height. Some family recently went through this as their house sat above the construction zone for the Spit / Northern Beaches Link tunnel. The council had an interest in preventing future erosion impacting Pittwater Rd, the main north-south artery on the NB. My working assumption is that they have behaved unethically on this matter. Protesters linking arms on the beach in 2002. You said "They get paid to do what they are told to do" Were they told told to design a system that would not work for the purpose and only exacerbate the problem? A bit like asking journos writing about climate change to include references scientific papers talking about how CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Luckily these sections of the Roads are at the far inside of pointbreaks so the wave energy is mostly weak, with little rebound affect. The state government and council are together tipping in 20 per cent of the costs for the construction of a wall stretching from Collaroy to South Narrabeen after heavy surf and powerful storms . We need to get all the data and expert opinions out in the open before decisions are made. Could be some good entertainment next time some serious swell hits. Lance any surf info about Middleton Reef ? Meanwhile, those on the other side of the divide are fearing the precedent of a return to hard structures and what this might mean for the rest of the Collaroy and Narrabeen beachfront, not to mention Wamberal, Old Bar, Byron Bay, and any other area where bad planning policy has created a wicked problem. There are some fed govt areas that listen to this thinking. LGA's apply for state and federal funding on offer for range of purposes. The politicians and land owners actions are an entirely separate discussion and I'm not entering into that minefield! The owners of those properties must have the most amazing collection of dirt on the political class. That's assuming the properties are still worth something to the market. BB who is getting the sand which has gone from here? "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. The coastline in SW Vic has evolved to respond to a dominant SW swell and storm pattern - that's why the beaches face the way they do. That 3-4x the height of the curved revetment? RFS DU SOL's new album cover to Surrender is on point.. Collaroy sea wall 1.8 mts higher than the Berlin Wall https://i.imgur.com/DuHM6zJ.gifv Dates announced for Spencer Frost and Guy Williment's film shot in Russia's far east. "There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. The sheer number of cables there suggests to me that an offshore reef proposal would be unsuccesful. The Local Government Act allows the council to set a special rate to pay for that. Moreover, the current DA makes no mention of sand nourishment from sand sourced elsewhere, such as deeper water offshore. Gold Coast City Council had a similar problem to Collaroy at Palm Beach Qld. Anyone who has been to Chiba in Kanto will have seen the Tetrapod formed surf breaks there. buzzwords include "Improved recreational access. " Last Model Run: 15 Jan 11:00AM Local time (AEDT) 15 Jan 12:00AM GMT Data Status: OK. Run Age 9hrs. On Saturday November 27th hundreds of locals came down to Collaroy Beach / North Narrabeen Beach in grim weather conditions to protest the monstrous 7 meter . The National Library of Australia's Copies Direct service lets you purchase higher quality, larger sized photocopies or electronic copies of newspapers pages. They may have a wall, but there will be no beach in front of it. If you want to witness how to do irreparable damage to a coastline, look no further than Japan. Buy backs should only be an.option when they contribute to an environmentally sound solution. Take the houses away eventually they would be building a wall to protect that road that you whinging moles drive around on for 20min checking it. This issue is not exclusive to the NB or sea level rise or storm surge. The only place for a residence next to Narrabeen Beach was up on the headland. we all end up paying for it directly if we haven't already e.g. The exception of course is if youre a donor to the LNP then a $3M block of land can be sold for $30M!!! why should the taxpayer pay to protect a small number of private landholders who actively choose to profit from purchasing in a tidal zone? I think we have already seen 19 cm of sea level rise on the east coast - and at least up here it hasnt translated to any significant/extended erosion issues. Would be interesting to know the depth as it goes out to sea as well as that gives options for offshore reefs to dissipate the wave energy, therefor preventing erosion. info a new build now paid by the public purse. Perhaps at best, the council acquires the land and owners get a sum to relocate to a 'normal' house west of Pittwater Road (god forbid). If they fall into the sea so be it. The Feds and States are the only ones with sufficient means to do anything, but for them its a case of not my problem. Great article highlighting the competing interests of the natural environment and local councils (which are too easily manipulated by wealthy stakeholders). It's an interesting point whether you just blame the owners for buying a house in such a risky area and hoping taxpayers will bail them out, versus the fact that the council must have approved people building houses there in the first place (although possibly a very long time ago), "Professor Short said the council bought properties along the beachfront and turned them into parklands in the 1970s and attempted to put a moratorium on redevelopment in the 1980s, but lost its case in court.". The road is the public asset to be protected yes linked to their actions - but if it was really only just about PW road then surely a more cost effective way would have been to introduce less expensive and arguably more effective measures as I understand earlier reports have indicated including reveg and rock? "Have you ever seen such a magnificent view as the one from our balcony overlooking this active volcano? Beaches like Bondi still had sand dunes and likely better banks all around. The Gold Coast has undoubtedly the most at risk coastline in Australia. Has any one ever suggested an off shore reef, seems like a win-win or is the sea floor unsuitable? brutus Collaroy was not a typical situation. For a couple of furlongs it was quite close to the ocean but nobody cared. They are the real villains, as regardless of what anyone says or does, these idiots can allow or disallow engineering developments so the buck stops there! https://eservices.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/ePlanning/live/Public/XC.Tr And this (Item 4) gives the reasons they changed to a wall. I'm invested now, and want to know the latest. Collaroy resident Tony Cagorski lost more than 10 metres of his yard during the weekend's wild weather, undermining the foundations of his home. Mind you theyve only been around for a year. Establishment and set out of site survey control points. I saw the construction going in, says Donohoe of seeing the area cordoned off earlier this year, and thought they were building rock revetments. Hey there - well I live in Noosa, Sunshine Beach specifically. GCCC's approach protects both private property and public beach amenity without any visible structures on the beach. Actually I do understand why the council doesn't research an alternative to a concrete wall, because it's easier to build a wall, something humans have been doing for thousands of years, we're good at it. Weve long known that putting a hard structureparticularly a hard, vertical structure, on the beach increases erosion., Northern Beaches Council puts up the big don't argue (Photo Craig Brokensha). Same old issues, with a more educated market. Why would you bother acquiring the affected properties "at any cost", when they're likely to be washed into the sea? I can't believe that those structures have been built in 2021 and that the legislation still hasn't been amended to counter the property rights of the owners. They might be looking for a new 'environmental' consultant after the next major swell. However, NSW has an intricate coastal management and development approval system and surely there's a paper trail for the various consents and approvals for this abomination which would be subject to FOI? Proven time and time and time again that sea walls do not work- period. Its an issue the whole coastline, councils desperate to get what is a liability off their books and some homeowners, beachfront, genuinely caught out by it. Can't wait to see the classic "Dick and Balls" painted on that big ugly fucker. So they all get their own private beach access. Old bathing boxes which were on long piers sitting out in the bay are now sitting in the middle of sand dunes. Good point, Lilas, but I think the issues around hard structures and beach environments have been established for so long and are so well known in the coastal management field that it's taken as read. and the second last line of your article states- Isn't an extension to the Point Cartwright breakwall on the cards aa well? There have been high profile storms on the NSW East Coast since the mid-70s. A quick trip Todos Santos way during a belting nor'west swell. the whole sea level/erosion issue is here now ..hmm any idea's solutions you have come across? I don't disagree with most of that. I looked into this again yesterday. Make his name famous: Peter Horton. We have summarised some key facts about the first of the Collaroy owners' seawalls. "We have the Tools and imagination" If anyone used it and saw the second DA let me know. The sea wall forms a permanent, stationary barrier between the sea and the land. Surge and erosion even on protected beaches on the Mid North Coast today is nuts. There is no evidence whatsoever of accelerated erosion seaward of these newly constructed works. Super difficult problem, maybe councils could buy beachfronts then lease back the properties. I have the mhl report but cannot find the link again. Locate courts, tribunals and offices. Water is manageable but comes with a huge expense and loss of nature. But if I get burnt out, then someone's going to be held to account"! 314k members in the sydney community. Staged retreats seem the best option, but also some councils are genuinely desperate to embrace the most apocalyptic climate change forecasts. The GCCC's Palm Beach Qld solution which uses an offshore reef/sand nourishment/seawall buried in the dune is the ONLY solution for coastal erosion that protects both beachfront private property and public property ie the beach, without any structures being visible on the beach. It's eroded locally at present, lots of rocks revealed on low tide but it's also end of winter. At this point, no-one can say if any consultation occurred, though the cynical view is council ticked the box by distributing flyers to the immediate neighbours, all of whom would want similar works built to protect their properties. Much better to work out a solution where the public doesnt lose their beach as per collaroy, but councils/government do need to help landowners. The protest was backed by the growing greens movement at the time and successfully pressured the then Warringah Council to knock back the protective walls. Around 80 percent of the cost will be shouldered by the property owners themselves while the remaining 20 percent will be jointly funded by the Northern Beaches Council and the NSW government. First it was a track. Picture: Nearmap A subsequent image of Collaroy Beach from June 8, 2016. We do, but unfortunately we also have a pervasive mindset in surfing that everything should stay the same as it was back in the good old days. Shop unique custom made Canvas Prints, Framed Prints, Posters, Tapestries, and more. As parts of the great ocean rd have began to crumble into the ocean. It pisses me off that people wilfully or ignorantly choose to buy in areas that are not for purpose, enabled by the property industry and then scream out for taxpayer help when the inevitable disaster occurs. The Surfrider Foundation Australia organised a protest against the seawall that is being erected between Narrabeen and Collaroy. >>How can you say there is no evidence unless you have the facts to prove it? The very thing we live for one the beaches is full of concrete and man made fuck ups. These impacts would have been explicitly tied to that particular design option by the engineers and other specialists involved. It breaks my heart. Sorry Peter but we can't just take you on your word for it. Look at offshore reefs around all the pacific islands. Completely agree that not all beach owners are cashed up pricks. I guess that the levees will give me a 100% guarantee that it'll never happen in my lifetime". Ignorant clown" There's only a loss to be made for the purchases. https://static01.nyt.com/images/2017/01/28/world/28israel6/28israel6-sup https://files.northernbeaches.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/g Basque Wavegarden Project Has Far-Reaching Implications, Watch: Ryan Callinan // Beneath A Pear Tree, Kala Grace In Dramatic Rescue While Competing In Backdoor Shootout, 'Corners Of The Earth: Kamchatka' Tour Dates, Watch: Cronulla's Jarvis Earle Wins World Junior Title. We can mess things up in a colossal way, and then keep doing it repeatedly. Fight the good fight mate. Fvck the coastline. If you look a bit to the north you can see the relatively intact beach with a decent amount of sand. Stick your comments up your arse fuckwit engineers dont approve shit like this they get paid to do what they are told direct your retarded comments at millionaire house owners and council you piece of shit. Not sure if that happened though. It's important to also recognise, the wall is entirely on private land. As mentioned in an earlier post, I place the blame fair and square at coastal engineers who design and approve these ill-fated designs. As a result, dried out sediments are carried by the wind towards the land. Great stuff. Joint Venture adopts new name, Te Puna Aonui. Wow Zen saw those photo's , it's really sad that they couldn't come up with something else , which raises the question.what other alternatives are there?? I find the whole thing fascinating, I had guys from the council to my face tell me of a future with 52 day heatwaves & in the same breath tell me of being concerened about extreme cyclones & erosion. Sure, but wowee regarding that huge backwash and wave entering back into the surf zone. Then there is the question of the parameters given to the designers of the second structure. Installing the Pilings is the fourth step. Check this out. Insurance companies know this. When the CBA or risk assessment work is done with good information about the things to be lost (eg the beach, public access, amenity, etc) it can shift the outcome of the analysis significantly, particularly the "do nothing" which is actually doing something. Lindsay Fox is happy as a vegemite as he now has what he wanted all along, more real estate to land his helicopter on. South Narrabeen beach is now useless to anyone. For me, the value of these properties is in the negatives and at the very least, its a big fat round calamari. My view is if it cannot be protected by environmentally sound methods then that is the owner's problem. Other than buy the land and let nature take its course Im really interested to know if there are any other options - not brutal like this but that might be effective ? There's been significant coastal erosion (acute) along the GOR in recent years, though only a handful of places have experienced coastal recession (chronic). We took the easy way, down towards the ocean and along on the back of the dune. Who could forget the MOLE building or the spoil from the North Head Sewage Works tipped over the cliff? I posted links to the relevant council pages in the previous story. From the last set of minutes from the Wamberal Seawall advisory Taskforce Nov 18 2021. Am I missing something with the job title there? Old dude making a dash for it, budgie smugglers and a cricket cap. Normally large swells from the SW have very little affect on the beaches around here because the great ocean rd is comprised of Rocky headland after headland. Probably not council's fault then, happy to blame the owners! It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Florida is an example. Thanks Stu, didn't even know such a thing existed here. Bumper Farrell had the prime position. Over the coming fortnight there's a couple more swell forecast from the east-northeast and that'll really put the structures to the test. Unfortunately politics and money flow are not associated with longer term planning in Australia at present. The Collaroy seawall was in part constructed after a significant storm event in 2016 eroded 50 metres along the Narrabeen and Collaroy shoreline, causing damage to waterside properties.

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