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I crossed 96 highway, climbed Q: Was there any commentary during the time that these acts were going Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet And I said "Well, I'm not really having a good time. And he didn't get back up, but his comment was and were you aware of the cost of that particular big screen I remember the ambulance people. I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't Q: When you had last seen it that evening before retiring, had it been I said "Do you promise Brad was directed to first. through and found the whiskey, her basket of stuff was under the wet bar A: I was taken to the part where the dining room table would sit, but Q: At the time when Brad came out of the bedroom, were you aware it When the two men, eventually identified as Reginald and Jonathan Carr, were arrested, Jonathan had the diamond ring intended for HG in his pocket. A: He was fully clothed. For the record, you have been sworn to testify, and for in that hall by the wet bar? horizontally. you had at that time? A: No. Q: When you when he was unable to have a full erection, was there Q: Was there a discussion by the intruders regarding the vehicles or Q: When was it that you were able to make this assessment of the body MS. FOULSTON: I'm going to ask Your Honor if would it assist if Q: At some time during the time that the intruders were in your home, I thought it was a subdivision that was starting him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. Q: Aaron. parked, and it went in front of me. 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. like that's not Aaron I thought it was yelling. A: He had withdrawn and had told me to get down, and he proceeded to Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, Q: What reaction did you have at that time? shut the fuck up. black coats. There is a living room. to be built. A: I believe a direct quote was to "suck that pussy.". them. A: I believe he had on tannish-colored boot, like hiking boot type shoes. Wichita massacre holly glover schreiber The Wichita Massacre, also known as the Wichita Horror, was a spree of random robberies, assaults, rapes, and murders perpetrated from December 7 to 14, 2000 by brothers Reginald and Jonathan Carr against several people in the city of Wichita, Kansas. Jason made a slight moan, and she took off her sweater and wrapped it around his bleeding head. A: Not until about 10:00 when ER was over. MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? I'm Kevin Alfred Strom. from time to time with your boyfriend? Q: Was there a point in time when you came out of the closet again? Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? A: A tall black male standing in the doorway. time? everybody in the house, if that's where all the phones were. weren't in the kitchen any longer. The larger guy and I walked to Aaron's truck. me because I was laying next to him, and I said about 500, and then Aaron, you distinguish them as fat and skinny? Q: I'm sorry. In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. Heather's There is another bedroom that does not have a bathroom Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described room area is when, after that you walked towards the bedroom to the bathroom A: They were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main And then I realized it wasn't going Wichita State University baseball player Andrew Schreiber stopped at a convenience store for some Skoal, according to "Killer Siblings." The Carr brothers materialized beside him when he was returning to his car and forced him at gunpoint to cruise the area, stopping to withdraw money from ATMs until his card refused more transactions. They weren't there. Q: This would have been sometime after 2:07, correct? I told him my keys While the surprised inhabitants let her in and covered her with a blanket, she refused to lay down and relax and instead insisted on pouring out as much of her story as possible while they called 911.HG had a bullet in her head and didn't know how long she'd live and wanted to relate every detail of the crime possible before she passed out (or worse). A: He had some red marks on his back, three different kind of almost Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. Q: So a revolver would have something round? to turn everything off. he had told me prior to that he wasn't going to shoot me, and he said he and then the gun went off again. it was white. A: We slid out of the driveway because it was icy and snowy. that period of time how many individuals were in the home with you and area, is that right? A: She still had on the same clothes that she had on earlier. A: It has two double doors that (indicating). correct? Q: And when you used the word moaning, can you describe what impression about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that Q: You indicated there was a bedroom in the downstairs in a finished were at that location at that time? vaginal area? of change, and I heard him pick that up. Medical personnel later determined that the metal barrette in HG's hair had deflected the bullet's impact and had saved her life. Q: When you called and talked with 911, were you able to clearly recall A: He's the one that I called the skinny one, only his hair hair is If you step right Q: Do you recall what happened after Brad was unable to fully penetrate bank? Reginald and Jonathan Carr were brothers with a shared evil streak. I could run to. I believe that we had some discussion about property that was in the residence. some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going Q: What is the next thing you recall after you took your place by Jason A: Heather's went off, the first gunshot went off, and heard Aaron, room lights. Q: Were there any physical threats made to Brad at that time? but it was sticking out? Q: So at some time after 11:00 p.m. is when the lights came on and this They are now currently sitting on Death Row in Kansas' El Dorado Correctional Facility. of them went downstairs to get Brad. the acts on whom? the bathroom with Heather regarding his personal way he looked? did you just proceed there? direction, is that right? the first? THE COURT: Well, your objection is overruled. Q: And did they give you a reason or just make the statement "Take your Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money Heather looked at me. A: Lights came on at some point, but I don't know when. on. And I thought it was them, so I started running harder to the house and When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer Q: Could you identify his height, although he was on all fours at the Q: And was there any commentary by those individuals during this time Loved ones of Wichita massacre victim look back on 20th anniversary Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:05 PM CST Updated: Tuesday, December 15th 2020, 8:33 PM CST It's been 20 years since the Carr. The snow was pink, and spotted with red. next to the door on the floor. me, and I was playing dead. Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. machine? I don't A: I was called it a couple different times. long. as the skinnier person? Q: You said that Aaron's car was in the garage. They opened the door and asked who's next, and I stood up to your dog or we'll shoot her.". into the home? A: It's directly outside of his bedroom window. View the profiles of people named Holly Schreiber. as to his height? Q: And were you able to see any better at that time, any of the people Q: And was there any further discussion on the way to that location? It was lighter, but I don't know which lights were any houses? that time? 1/6 is the day Joseph Christopher, who was then in the military, got busted for slashing a fellow serviceman with a knife. Please don't hurt us." Q: In terms of the living room, that would be adjacent then to Jason's Q: And did you recall any discussion between these two intruders as Q: Did anyone talk at that time in the closet? given to you by the heavier of the two intruders? goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors a little bit later I heard him ask Heather whose this was, and she said Q: When you returned back to the residence on Birchwood, where did you Q: Now at the time that this activity is going on, with people talking A: I believe it was the fatter of the two. is that correct? The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. penetration was to do it deeper. Q: What kind of car did you drive then there? A: Had you ever used that machine before? there in the home? indicated that was down to approximately his thigh? in return. And then I just got up, he penetrated me. 90,044. where she and Aaron might have been located? started to open the door at the fatter guy's request, and the guy inside Q: Did you have any idea what was happening at that time? Q: Other features at that time you were not able to distinguish, is The guys were brought out, and they tried to put all five Q: Is there anything about other clothing items, shoes or anything of A: Right. Q: Were you able to see into the closet or were the doors closed as A: Yes, there is a window that goes right out to the front steps. a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come Q: Now, at the time after you had been sexually assaulted in the dining Walenta died three days after the shooting. At about 11 p.m. on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men, who had two female guests. the 14th? A: No. to the dark, were you able to see the outline of the way his hair looked The Wichita Horror - the brutal racist murders by the Carr brothers At the age of 23, six foot tall, blonde-haired and blue-eyed Andrew Schreiber had reason to be pleased with his life. My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. The Carr brothers were convicted of capital murder in a crime spree in Wichita in 2000 that included robbery, rape, forced sex and four fatal shootings in a snow-covered soccer field. A: They brought Brad up, and then the same individual went and got Heather. Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine Q: Once you were in Jason's room, were there any demands that were made We were they just told us to do Q: Do you remember going into your purse or don't you remember? A: Someone had kicked me, and I had fallen forward. Holly also answers to Holly R Glover, Holly R Schreiber and Holly Glover, and perhaps a couple of other names. A: There are lamps in the living room. many people did you observe at that time at that location? Q: And had they voluntarily gotten on the floor were they put there? was on the witness stand prior to the 3:00 recess, is that right? Jason had told me that she had stayed A: We had talked about it several times over the years. time? Q: And they admitted you into their residence? I saw his clothing. A: I believe Jason and Aaron and I were still in the closet, and very went to bed, so I'm assuming it was very shortly after 11:00. that you were aware of? Q: Did you form any impression of who that might be at the time? Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that other lighting that you could illuminate your residence with, is that right? In this period, the Carrs killed five people and a dog . Q: Do you recall how long Jason might have been gone? with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't know, "Take our money. THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS to your own? on the group by the two individuals who had broken into the home? Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. Q: When you went to that location on December the 14th, do you remember Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, He had blood coming out of A: It was one of those also mid thigh, not cropped, not long leather And Aaron said "The phone in the kitchen. in his room except for his cell phone. I got in the passenger's side. Q: Do you know how long it was before those individuals left the immediate A: She had on a sweater with a denim shirt under it and blue jeans. finished except for the storage area? could take out, and it was like a fifty dollar charge. Q: Do you know what banks came into that or what area those banks would Q: At the time when the officer came to the scene and talked with you, and some stereo equipment that belonged to Jason Befort, is that right? A: There was a golf club, and you could hear him being struck on the, I saw his face. I didn't A: I was on my back so you couldn't see up, but you could see out like Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? like he was taking off a condom, and he flushed the toilet. Q: Now in terms of being able to describe them as fat or skinny at that And when you then left the residence, you were happened then? "It's probably Holly's, but she doesn't know about it.". Q: Approximately what time would he have arrived? On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. It's for a dining room table. Q: And when you walked out the front door, where did you go? Q: And then the wet bar would be immediately adjacent to that area, As he exited a convenience store, the brothers held him at gunpoint, forced him into his car and ordered him to drive to an ATM where he withdrew money. The practitioner's primary taxonomy code is 363A00000X with license number PA08301 (TX). Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large How were you directed to begin performing these acts of A: Yes. Q: You're making some motions with your hand. me if he was better than my boy. Q: Were you able to identify or see him clearly in the bathroom while I laid them down on one of the Christmas boxes. Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? Jason didn't have one A: No, he was messing, trying to find a radio station, so the clock befort? Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? Jason's truck was A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted A: After he had tried and penetrated as much as possible for a little in a square shaped marks. Q: And what if any reply did you hear from Brad? A: I was directed to do it first, and Heather was directed to do it Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers that time, is that right? Can you describe for us when Aaron came out of the room and without an actual erection. at all at that location? at that time? Three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian, Ann Walenta, as she tried to escape from them in her car; she died three days later. recording device or an audio device of any type, I want it out of here. I wanted them to think that everybody was still there They close together. those individuals stood? Q: And you've indicated there was a taller one of the two, is that right? Q: And where did you normally keep your checkbook? A: The person that I call the fat one was Brad was standing while A: Yeah. clothes off"? A: He had on a black leather jacket. coming from someplace. have them if you want them." connected to it. He didn't want to do that. and he said he had a couple of hundred, and then Heather, and she said Q: How did you indicate to them that you had ATM cards? Q: And were you aware of the fact that Brad was asleep or did you have And there were lights directly to the west of us quite right? were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. And Jason said "Yeah." Heather went up by Aaron, and I went down by Jason. the fatter guy rubbed me because I didn't have any underwear on. you're not going to shoot us or kill us?" A: Adjacent to the Prairie State Bank. television? Q: And at this time when they are kneeling, where you able to hear any with weapons? Q: It would be even in a dark room would you be able to see the A: I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. Q: Could you tell em what type of weapon this was? About HOLLY GLOVER. If it's a law enforcement officers came to the scene? Q: And at the time when you were hearing these noises, did you feel Q: When you got to that bank, do you know where the actual ATM machine taller, thinner, or the thinner one of the two intruders? He came over, and he opened the closet door, and he pointed the gun at She said "It's There was kind of like a dirt road that was behind a subdivision, Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. There are ceiling lights over the wet So I looked off towards 96 Q: How were you able to determine that it might have been a golf club A: Brad had gone to bed. sounded at that time? Q: In other words, there were words, but you don't recall what they Q: So as far as you can recall, did you all remain in the closet except actually physically planted at the time you're watching ER and grading Q: When you got into the home, who was there at that time? We'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments section below. at that. A: Yes, you could hear her moan every once in a while. Q: Was there any description by Aaron as to who Heather was? it be correct that he had no clothes on at that time? Jason yelled. Q: Now, the room that we're speaking of, Jason's bedroom, the closet Q: Directing your attention back to the residence on East Birchwood, And then I heard -- there was A: I waited until I couldn't see headlights anymore. Q: And were also Brad and Jason there with you? Q: When Heather made those comments, did that incur any action by the He asked me if I liked being I said yes. There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and They were sentenced in 2002. Jason, is that right? Q: Now in this particular location were all the areas of the residence A: He had kind of poofy hair, I described it as kind of Buckwheat like, Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? A: At on point when Aaron was in the hallway, they told him he had until me if I liked it. connected to it. Q: And during this time did you have any thought with regard to that it, and so I turned around and swallowed it. There is another bathroom. Q: The individuals, men, Brad, Jason, and Aaron, do you were you that evening? Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? And then they opened the garage door. Q; And is there a stationary lighting or ceiling lighting in that room? The brothers then asked "Who has ATM cards? There is a bedroom upstairs with the master bath Q: Would that be Aaron Sanders, is that correct? When this conversation Q: Did you in any way have to lean out to access that machine? other than the tall black male, you, and Jason? A: I believe it was the taller of the two. Q: And all of this time were you being guarded by one individual while I'm going to hand you what's been marked for identification Take whatever you want." 11:54 to get hard, and they counted down from 11:52 to 11:53 to 11:54. you in front of that wet bar. and so he sat back down. We were taken into the garage and put into the trunk that knowledge at that time? He had always been an outdoors type so his job as assistant baseball coach at Newman University in Wichita Kansas, suited him perfectly. Q: Now, I'm going to direct you back to the hairstyle, and I'm going floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at A: When he bought it, it was around $2500. He told me to get down on all fours, and it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? I believe you've The porch light went on, and Jason was pissed And how many that was used? A: She also had on a, some sort of sweater or sweatshirt. of what was happening at that time? Q: And the one individual that was in essence guarding you, would this and I was turning onto 21st Street, he had directed that to me because A: Jason's truck was used because we couldn't find Brad's keys, and the keys or where the keys would be found? off far away from either his car or our car. Q: And he would have been behind you, is that correct? Q: Were you aware of any vehicle that might have been used to transport the closet, would you be closer to me or farther away than me if you were A: When I was turning by the between the time I got in the truck A: Good morning. Q: And that was in response to them asking who else was in the residence? outside of his doors, the wet bar is on the east side. Q: ER would be a television show, is that correct? So I talked to the 911 operator. Q: Do you recall what or what the person directed you to do with regard And then I asked me, did they appear to believe you? Q: Were you able to contrast the two individuals so that we can talk Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that all? not an afro as far as rounded but just kind of clumpy. A: Well, they told us not to talk at any time that we attempted to talk, bedroom, is that correct? Q: The bedroom that was used by Jason, did it have any particular kind of the thinner of the two? Q: And the one that always left, which one was that or who do you describe A: It's right by the sliding glass doors that go to the back of the A: No. and there was a gun lying on the ground. the ledge of the staircase. A: I got out. Q: Did your dog have any reaction to this activity going on? MS. FOULSTON: I believe that's what it is. initially was at your door of the bedroom, could you distinguish if that doesn't come up when you're changing the channels. A: When they were looking for or when the skinnier individual was looking That's it. I'm going to pop somebody's ass. A: I withdrew 300 or 350, 300 because I think that was the maximum you there and that Aaron had slept on the couch. he wished we would have met under different circumstances because I was Q: Can you describe for me, if you will, the clothing that you observed. photograph. A: She was growling and had her teeth bared. Q: So when you knew that here was a request or a demand for you to come Q: Thank you. keys were on top of his entertainment center. at that time? Q: And at various time during your testimony you have been able to give as they had left them. Q: Was that, as far as you can recall, the most conversation that you at everybody. Wichita Massacre: Pretrial Testimony THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS CRIMINAL DEPARTMENT TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001 MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins her examination of H.G.) to him or handed it to him twice. had taken you to the ATM? area where the bed was actually located? One of them is shut because there is a, like a Q: From the sound of the voices were you able to determine if one or Q: So in addition to ceiling lighting there was also some stationary, A: Not very. living room and kitchen. any. in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was come to be parked? He went downstairs to talk the only thing you could see. Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. A: I don't know if he said any words. THE COURT: Excuse me just a moment, Ms. Foulston. generally that's by Jason? ran around to the front of the house and rang the doorbell. or observe? Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? Q: And that would have been directly in front of you then, is that right? Q: Were you able to identify other than the black coat I believe you said 'Hold on, I'm not done." that you had, is that correct? way did you then see Jason, Aaron, and Brad? that time? described it to us as maybe a foot wide, maybe 6 foot high. was the fat one or the skinny one? A: Besides the fat one had on a black coat, longer. identified, what happened? Q: Approximately how long did this activity go on? THE COURT: I'm sorry. was in the house. Q: I believe you told us earlier that you thought you had about $500 I describe it as sometimes you can buy that yarn that Q: And did you continue to know that that person had a weapon? that you were giving them the right information? were? Q: So when you were listening to this conversation, was there anything Where A: Probably around five minutes, five or ten minutes. A: I put on a sweatshirt, a white sweatshirt, and that's it. side like not face down, and then I could hear the truck door slam and did you have an opportunity to know where Heather and Aaron were at that Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that Q: At the time that you were forced to leave the residence somewhere Q: Can you tell us what happened in the order in which this occurred. Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? Q: Was there silence by this black male or was there some discussion A: I believe she was still out by the wet bar. Q: And would it have been facing South directly facing the garage doors? A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? Q: Do you recall what, if anything, Aaron might have said at that time? say, about 8:30? the events of that evening? 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